[87658]

OR, is removing the Hub a separate EASIER step than removing the entire Hub Assembly? 'and I'm misconstruing how it all works to begin with?

Posting this merely as an update and shared learning experience for anyone else curious.

Called another Kia that's got the entire OEM hub on sale (about $160) and asked about replacing the single stud.
Quoted $150 labor plus parts. Asked and told it would require removing the entire hub.

I then switched the question around and suggested that replacing the entire hub should then cost the same thing in labor. Told he'd have to get back to me with the answer.

Common sense dictates that replacing the entire hub should actually take even less time considering, how now, one doesn't have to separately fiddle with any studs to be replaced...since one is having to remove the entire hub in both scenarios.

 

[bwdz75]

Sometimes I hate the industry that I work in when they try to tell you a bunch of stories. If I was your neighbor and had my electric impact with me at home along with my cut off wheel (to notch the backing plate) and my Lisle stud installed bearing I would tell you that by the time you went to the store and bought me a six pack of beer for the work I would be done as it is a 20 minute job. A shop should quote you based on how they will do the job (if they will actually remove the bearing which is unnecessary hence why I said it is a half hour that I bill for this) so I took a picture of what Alldata tells you the labor on it is and that is what they will base it on (trust me, warranty pays a lot less so I won't tell you what Kia would pay us for this, just imagine that we get 5.3hours to replace an engine in an Optima and Alldata tell you it takes 14 hours)
In case the pictures aren't clear, they tell you it is 0.3 hours for one stud and 0.1 for each additional 2 studs so 0.5 for all 5 of yours. They do say this doesn't include hub removal which is 0.8 hours so if the shop is actually going to remove the hub which is completely unnecessary you should pay 1.3 hours labor to have all 5 done and they cost $2 a piece for auto parts store ones or around $5 each for Kia parts plus new lug nuts.

 

[87658]

Sometimes I hate the industry that I work in when they try to tell you a bunch of stories. If I was your neighbor and had my electric impact with me at home along with my cut off wheel (to notch the backing plate) and my Lisle stud installed bearing I would tell you that by the time you went to the store and bought me a six pack of beer for the work I would be done as it is a 20 minute job...

Crappy, ain't it?

Called yet another spot I've visited in the past and the numbers from them were much higher than anyone else. Confident their hourly labor rate couldn't be higher than the main Kia I often visit. Didn't ask about the labor time involved but they're likely thinking high...or else jacking up the price of a stud big time. LOL

 

[Slot]

Most wheel studs break because stupid tire monkeys gorilla the lug nuts on with torque guns. I wouldn't personally bother replacing all of them unless someone has boogered up the threads on the others, which also happens because they don't thread the lugs on by hand but instead use the gun to run them on there.

That is exactly the problem. Ask the shop (any shop for that matter) in the future what are the torque specks you use when mounting the tires. If they don’t know head on down the road!!!

 

[Maloski]

Hi folks.
Got a stud which broke off today right into the lug nut.
I want to be armed with knowledge about how complicated the process might be to replace the stud. Since one shop said the time spent will depend on whether they can get to the stud area easily or need to remove such and such part(s) (Hub and/or whatever else?)
So can anyone fill me in on this?
I've a 2016 Kia Soul+

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Should I go ahead and have all five replaced for safety sake?
I've had suspicions there might've been a problem for some time due to handling and such.
There's also one other lug nut (on that same wheel) that's a different size due to some genius who fixed a flat having put back the wrong one somehow. Anyhow, that's been refusing to stay tight off and on...
'and in case the other studs have been under pressure all this time since.

Thanks in advance.

I wish I could help. I'm thinking you are talking about the wheels/rims? Good luck my fellow KIA driver.

 

[SoNic67]

I can do the whole rear hub on my driveway in like 30 minutes. Maybe one hour if I include setting up and cleaning up. Just a few bolts and wrenches.
The stud replacement... I would probably not able to do it with my tools.

 

[87658]

I can do the whole rear hub on my driveway in like 30 minutes. Maybe one hour if I include setting up and cleaning up. Just a few bolts and wrenches.

Thanks for that input.
Yeah, mention a larger part and everyone's quick to wanna charge a whole lot more.

 

[SoNic67]

mention a larger part and everyone's quick to wanna charge a whole lot more.

That's not true. Replacing the stud involves removing the hub and putting it back on. You pay that labor time anyway, it's in their labor books.
When you add the time for replacing the stud the charged labor time will go up.
And, like I said above, I think that hub's bearing is compromised, you would be wasting labor money.

Good luck.

 

[87658]

That's not true. Replacing the stud involves removing the hub and putting it back on. You pay that labor time anyway, it's in their labor books.
When you add the time for replacing the stud the charged labor time will go up.
And, like I said above, I think that hub's bearing is compromised, you would be wasting labor money.

Not quite sure we're on the same wavelength. OR Are we saying the same thing?
What I'm saying is:
Asking for quotes on replacing the hub assembly gets me higher numbers than just replacing the stud (for which they've all said required removing the hub.)

 

[Hammerhead]

If you buy a new hub yes that's extra.

 

[bwdz75]

I think the op is saying the labor alone is more to replace the hub even though he is being quoted hub removal to replace the studs.

 

[87658]

I think the op is saying the labor alone is more to replace the hub even though he is being quoted hub removal to replace the studs.

Yes.
'and of course, technically, just doing the stud should come out to more work since now you have to fiddle around with the stud itself. Thus, none of it makes sense. But then I think already voiced this previously.

 

[SoNic67]

Asking for quotes on replacing the hub assembly gets me higher numbers than just replacing the stud (for which they've all said required removing the hub.)

They probably will bang it out with an air chisel with wheel still on the car. That will do great for your bearings and suspension bushings.

 

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[hutch58]

Sometimes I hate the industry that I work in when they try to tell you a bunch of stories. If I was your neighbor and had my electric impact with me at home along with my cut off wheel (to notch the backing plate) and my Lisle stud installed bearing I would tell you that by the time you went to the store and bought me a six pack of beer for the work I would be done as it is a 20 minute job. A shop should quote you based on how they will do the job (if they will actually remove the bearing which is unnecessary hence why I said it is a half hour that I bill for this) so I took a picture of what Alldata tells you the labor on it is and that is what they will base it on (trust me, warranty pays a lot less so I won't tell you what Kia would pay us for this, just imagine that we get 5.3hours to replace an engine in an Optima and Alldata tell you it takes 14 hours)
In case the pictures aren't clear, they tell you it is 0.3 hours for one stud and 0.1 for each additional 2 studs so 0.5 for all 5 of yours. They do say this doesn't include hub removal which is 0.8 hours so if the shop is actually going to remove the hub which is completely unnecessary you should pay 1.3 hours labor to have all 5 done and they cost $2 a piece for auto parts store ones or around $5 each for Kia parts plus new lug nuts.

Local Kia Dealership quoted $500+ to replace 1 (one) stud. To replace all would be the additional time and cost of each stud.
I can follow youtube vids but have concerns about the bearing; removing and pressing a new one in.
One post suggested bending and/or cutting a hole in the heat shield to remove the broken stud...your thoughts?

THANKS !!!

 

[bwdz75]

I cut 2 slits in the backing plate and bend back a little portion to have enough room to get it out and new one in and then just bend it back in place.