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Can someone clue me in on the whole ECO package thing? I'm preparing to buy a 2012 Soul and am not sure what's what. My questions are:

1) Is it worth getting? I live in California and there's a lot of traffic, so I could see the stop/start option being a good thing. However, I've also read it can make the car kind of jerky. Anyone have experience with it?
2) Am I correct that it's not available on the Exclaim model at all? On the Kia "build your own" website, it seems to be an option on the + but N/A on the Exclaim.
3) Is it true that it's not yet available and will only be after the 1st of the year?


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I can't speak to US models but in the Canadian 2U model Eco can be turned off if it's annoying. Just test drove it so I can't really comment on real world performance yet (our car arrives Fri and I'll know more then).
 

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I can't speak to US models but in the Canadian 2U model Eco can be turned off if it's annoying. Just test drove it so I can't really comment on real world performance yet (our car arrives Fri and I'll know more then).
you are talking about a different thing to what the first poster mentioned, they are referring to ISG (idle stop and Go) not the ECO mode that you are referring to. I have that feature on my 4u and is standard on all AT Soul models in Canada.
In the US ISG (Eco pak) is a late availability on the base model and +, not the Exclaim. In Canada it will only be available on a 1.6L AT ECO model, again late availability.
 

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Welcome Aboard, Shipmate!


When I Test Drove a 2012 Soul +, the Sales Rep had me turn the Eco Button on the dash to ON. We drove for a bit, and when I gunned the engine, it tended to act like a Governor (Speed Limiter), and wouldn't let me accelerate like I wanted to. She had me turn it OFF, and I could accelerate much easier, as if I were taking a Highway On-Ramp.

When I bought my Soul, I left the Eco Button OFF! About the only time I intend to use it, is when I head to West Texas next year on I-10, and then I'll use the Eco to help me crunch some extra miles between Gas Stations.

As for the Eco Package with the Idle-Stop-and-Go, I'd definitely look into this, before buying it. It's a costly Option, if you don't plan on using it. Here's a little something I found on the web..... look familiar Conwelpic?

courtesy of KGIS and Conwelpic here's a condensed version of how ISG functions


Idle Stop and Go (ISG) Description

Idle Stop and Go (ISG) function automatically switches off the engine when the car is at a standstill and starts it again as soon as the brake pedal is released. This not only reduces fuel consumption, it also lowers emissions. Idle Stop and Go (ISG) function also has a built-in sensitivity to driving safety and comfort.
The engine is not switched off if certain conditions relating to safety and comfort have not been fulfilled (for example, when the engine oil is still cold, when the battery is running low or when the outside temperature is below 3º C or 37F). It can be deactivated by pressing the ISG OFF switch on the crash pad lower panel.

Sample scenario:
vehicle moving
the transmission lever position is in D-range. The brake pedal is released
the engine is running (vehicle moving)
the driver brakes until the vehicle comes to a standstill
the transmission lever position is in D-range. The brake pedal is pressed
the engine stops. The symbol “AUTO STOP” lights up in the instrument cluster
the driver wants to continue the journey
the transmission lever position is in D-range. The brake pedal is released
the engine is running again. The symbol goes out.

Operation Condition for the ISG Function
Will function if these conditions are met

- ISG OFF Switch is off
- switch (seat/door/hood) closed
- lever position in D or N range
- brake pedal pressed or released
- vehicle speed after driving higher than 8kmph (5mph)
- a/c system operating correctly
- engine coolant temperature over 78º C (172.4º F)
- brake pressure not below 35kpa
- battery SOC over 77% and temperature in the range of 2-55ºC (35.6-131ºF)
- Steering wheel – operating angle below 180º
- Parking condition – slope up hill <12%, down hill <8%
- no ISG related part errors

Won't function if:
- large steering angle when car is stopped
- low brake operating pressure
- turn on the a/c with max blower
- when battery condition is poor (low SOC)
- active defroster of front or rear glass
- unfasten driver's seat belt or open the door and hood
- on a steep slope
- with ISG system errors and other diagnosis
- ISG OFF switch is on
Cheers!

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Does anyone know why it's not going to be available in the Exclaim model?

Sounds like I'm going to have to wait to try it out here in CA either way.
 

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I don't know why it isn't going to be on the Exclaim model. Sometimes, I wish I had GDI in the Exclaim, too.
 

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Does anyone know why it's not going to be available in the Exclaim model?

Sounds like I'm going to have to wait to try it out here in CA either way.
Kia's website and literature hasn't been the most reliable of late, so I think the jury's still out on whether this feature will ever be available on the Exclaim model.

Kia's not the only company offering this feature in other markets but delaying availability here. For example, Porsche and Audi offer ISG in other markets, but have said that the "US market isn't yet ready" for the technology. I'm not sure if that's a slam on US driving habits, some kind of veiled reference to the limitations of US emissions standards or a cover-up for them not being able to build enough models with this feature, but it does seem odd....

As for the "Active ECO", I just switched it on for the first time yesterday, and intend to use it for this (my third) tank of gas, after being unimpressed by my gas mileage so far in the normal mode. First impressions are that it uses engine torque, rather than revs, to keep things moving along, and that it heads for the highest gear possible as quickly as possible. Still, the engine has enough power to pull this off without making the car feel sluggish at all (to me), and it has the side-benefit of keeping the engine noise down. At this point, I'm not sure I'll ever turn it off, assuming that there's an actual fuel economy benefit....
 

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Sorry to be such a newbie, but what is Active ECO? Is it available on all the models? And which model do you have that you're not impressed with the mileage of? What are you getting on average?
 

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Sorry to be such a newbie, but what is Active ECO? Is it available on all the models? And which model do you have that you're not impressed with the mileage of? What are you getting on average?
Active ECO basically, in simple terms, makes shifts faster so that you dont go high up in the RPM's and use more gas. Keeps RPM's low and also moderates the way the air conditioner functions. All in the sake of saving gasoline(Petrol) and saving the environment. I have the option on my 2012 Soul + and i have it on all the time, I think ive turned it off 2 times since ive had the car and can definitely tell the difference on the amount of power the engine puts out. Be all end all, it saves you money at the pump.
 

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Sorry to be such a newbie, but what is Active ECO? Is it available on all the models? And which model do you have that you're not impressed with the mileage of? What are you getting on average?
I only really looked closely at the Exclaim model once I figured out that adding a sunroof and UVO to the Plus model makes it MORE EXPENSIVE than just getting the Exclaim to begin with. (seriously, Kia, what's up with THAT?!?!) So, I can't say for sure whether it's standard, optional or available on the other models...

My first tank averaged just less than 26 mpg, and my second 23.9 (!!) mpg. I'm on my third tank now, running in Active ECO mode, and the trip computer is reporting 26.4 mpg so far, but that number is climbing. My commute is 70 miles round-trip, with about 65% highway.

FWIW, I use Fuelly | Share and Compare Your MPG to track the mileage on my cars. It's a fun, convenient and FREE site and allows you to compare your mileage with others who own the same car. For the 2012 model, most seem to be averaging 27-ish mpg.

Hope this helps.
 

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Newby to the world of Soul and curious about the terms 4U & 2U? Soul jargon?
That's the names of models in Canada. From base to top end they are:
1.6L available in manual and auto
2u available in M/T and A/T
4u in M/T and A/T
4u Retro in A/T
4u Burner in A/T
4u Luxury in A/T
 

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I have found out that the ECO package for the 1.6L Soul that was orginally available, is now not available at least for Canada. There is no listing for it on the Kia Canada website, don't know about the US.
 

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Buy a standard tranny model and you won't be bothered by a a dash light. I have a 2010 2U and have no lights telling me when I am achieving maximum mileage. The amount of gas mileage you get is directly proportional to the way you drive. If you have a lead foot, gas mileage will suffer. Add in the factor that the sticker miles per gallon is based on the ideal circumstances, no load, and the perfect temperature, you should be happy with 26 mpg. Let's face it, you are driving a box on wheels.
 

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I love my new Soul. I have been driving with the ECO on almost all the time. It gets on the interstate quite well. Since I only have 1300 miles on the unit, I don't know how much better the fuel economy is with it on vs. off. So far, in the city/burbs, I have been getting 30-33 mpg and on the highway at 67 mph I have been averaging about 35-36 mpg. Much better than my Dodge Ram 2500 that only gets 18-21 mpg on the highway.
 

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I just read the other day that the Idle Stop and Go is having the bugs worked out and won't be available until fall at earliest.
Conwelpic don't tell sell a burner 4U manual transmission anymore?
2U-1.6L engine
4U-2.0L engine
 

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I just read the other day that the Idle Stop and Go is having the bugs worked out and won't be available until fall at earliest.
Conwelpic don't tell sell a burner 4U manual transmission anymore?
2U-1.6L engine
4U-2.0L engine
trying to figure out what you are saying "don't tell sell a burner" ???? If you are asking whether a Burner is available in a manual transmission, then the answer is NO not for 2012.
Not sure what you are meaning with "2U - 1.6L" as that model gets a 2.0L
 

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That is what I was trying to ask. ^^^If its not 1.6 and 2.0L what is the point of the 2U -4U Different option packages or what? I always thought 2U meant 1.6L with min. options.
 
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