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Preliminary Review: General Altimax Arctic (Studded)

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#1 · (Edited)
Today was the first day I had a chance to try my winter tires in actual snow. It wasn't a lot of snow: only 2 - 3 inches. Other conditions:


  • Tires: General Altimax Arctic 195/65 R15, studded, all around.
  • Snow condition: Compacted. Occasional icy patches.
  • Road type: Paved mountain road.
  • Surface Treatment: Sanded but not salted. It looked like they dropped sand but didn't plow.
  • Terrain: Hilly and twisted.
  • Driver: Old and twisted.
  • Elevation: varying from about 1,500 feet to about 2,600 feet ASL.
  • Temperature: high 20's to low 30's F.
  • Lading: Just me (205 lbs) on the going trip. Me plus 300 lbs of rock salt in the rear on the return trip.
  • Coffee: Two cups Columbian, freshly-ground, with creamer and stevia.
  • Total trip: 54 miles (27 x 2).


I chose the road because it's one that I usually avoid in anything except ideal weather, but it also makes a good test run for snow tires. It's not that different from the roads in my beloved village of Sparrow-Fart except that it's about a thousand feet higher, and in Sparrow-Fart we actually plow before we drop sand or salt.

In any case, the tires performed admirably. On a straight stretch, I attempted a deliberate skid and was unable to start one. I also did hit a surprise patch of ice in a turn, but the wheels gripped it well. No problems accelerating uphill or decelerating downhill using either the brakes or engine braking.

I had no problems at all, in fact. The tires performed better than I'd hoped.

Because it wasn't a lot of snow, however, and because it was relatively warm, this is only a preliminary report. The real test will come when we get more snow, and especially when driving uphill after a refreeze. That's the biggest winter driving challenge I face: The last half mile to my house. If the temperature dips into the teens F, it refreezes.

I will report again when we get a more respectable snowstorm.

Richard
 
#3 · (Edited)
Thank you.
Average speed?
Probably about 30 mph, with a range from 15 - 55.

No traffic to speak of. This is the boonies.

Are you planning to ever use those tires without studs?
No. As long as I live in my current home (and especially driving a lightweight, FWD car), I wouldn't choose any non-studded winter tire. The last half-mile to my house is on a steep road with some hairpin turns. It's a real bitch after a refreeze. Frankly, I'd avoid it in the winter if I didn't happen to live along it. But there's no way to avoid the only road to your home.

If I lived along a flatter or straighter road, however, then I'm pretty sure I'd be happy with the non-studded version of these tires.

Richard
 
#5 ·
They were 35 psi, which was 2 psi less than manual's recommended 4 psi over the doorpost pressure. The reason for which, by the way, I don't understand. Do you? No one's been able to really give me a good reason for that.

Once the outside temperatures stabilize, I'll bring the pressure up to where it's supposed to be (37, according to the manual) and see if I like it. Adding and removing air every time I drive because the temperature went up or down a few degrees is a bit OCD even for me.

Richard
 
#8 ·
And once again, Conwelpic provides INFORMATION!
I agree with the first reason stated on the Tirerack site, steering response. With our last car, a Hyundai Accent, we used the standard tire pressures with our snow tires (Hanhook ipikes), and it felt like we were driving on water baloons, really vague and squishy. With our new tires, General Altimax Artic unstudded, I added four pounds of extra pressure before putting the tires on the car, and it handles almost normally. Steering is a bit numb, but the car is responsive and steady. And Tirerack's other reasons may very well come into play.
 
#11 ·
Update.

We're in the early stages of what's predicted to be a fairly respectable storm. There's about two or three inches out there at the moment in Sparrow Fart.

I just did my daily post office run plus about ten miles on one of the back roads specifically to get a feel for the tires in the light snow. Some more information:

Temperature: 28F
Humidity: 74%
Barometer: 29.91 and falling
Snowfall rate: 0.75 inches / hour
Snow depth: 2" to 3"
Road condition: Varied from unplowed to freshly plowed. No salt, no sand
Elevation: ~1100 to ~1500 feet
Coffee: Eight O'Clock Hazelnut with creamer and stevia
Distance: about 13 miles
Speed range: 20 mph to 45 mph, average 30 mph

In this small amount of snow, I had no problems going uphill, downhill, or around tight or wide curves.

As soon as I got on the road when I left my driveway, I started testing braking going down the hill. Because of the twists in the road, this was done at 20 MPH, which is about the same speed as I take it in dry weather. There were a few patches where the ABS kicked in, and the car stayed true with no lateral skidding.

With intentional hard braking at 45 mph on a straight and level stretch of back road, there was a skid indicator light and noticeable ABS activity. The car tracked arrow-straight, however, with no lateral skidding.

The distance to full stop at 45 mph with hard braking seemed slightly longer than I thought it would be. But the car I had before this one didn't have ABS, so my subjective experience may have resulted from not being accustomed to the ABS. Given prudent following distance for the conditions, I would have had plenty of time to avoid rear-ending another vehicle; and the tracking was excellent.

Intentional braking in a curve (in a safe place, of course) resulted in very little skidding. These tires have excellent lateral grip. Releasing the brake and letting up on the clutch immediately restored control.

Most important in my case, the tires passed the first part of the hill test up to my house with flying colors. (The second part will be when it refreezes.) I was able to negotiate the hill and the turns with no problems at all. I didn't detect any ABS activity on the way up.

All in all, I remain extremely satisfied with this tire choice. They strike me as excellent snow tires and as working very well in combination with our particular vehicles. I'll probably take another ride later when the snow is deeper, and I'm scheduled for a 70-mile trip tomorrow for Thanksgiving. I'll report again when I have more to report.

Richard
 

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