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    Want to add a spare tire & jack to your 2012 Soul? Read this

    Like many other buyers of a 2012 Kia Soul, I was somewhat dismayed to learn there was no spare tire and jack included with the car--instead, there is a can of sealant and a (tiny) air compressor. I understand why Kia did this, and I also understand that the sealant/compressor can remedy a simple puncture (which is the most common cause of a roadside flat tire) and get you back on your way... but, even still, I wanted an honest to goodness spare tire on board (even if it would just be a temporary compact spare).

    First, I removed the spare tire and "tool kit" (jack, lug wrench, and other items that are neatly packaged in the circular styrofoam holder) from my 2011 Soul. For those who do not own a 2010 or 2011 Soul, here is what the circular tool kit looks like. (Note the "15" embossed in the upper right corner of the styrofoam.)



    By comparison, here is the slightly-larger 16" circular tool kit holder. (Note the "16" embossed in it.)



    Once everything was removed from the car, here is what the floor of the wheel well looked like:



    Next, I removed the equivalent "tool kit" (small compressor and can of sealant which are packed in a rectangular styrofoam holder) from my 2012 Soul +. When I did, here is what the floor of its wheel well looked like:



    They are exactly identical. This is great news for anyone who wants to add a compact spare tire to their 2012 Soul.

    In my 2011 Soul, the spare tire is secured to the floor with a bolt that is affixed to a large, circular plastic handle. In my 2012 Soul, the rectangular styrofoam tool kit is secured to the floor with a bolt that is affixed to a large, circular plastic handle. Could they be the same? I decided to check:



    Yep--peas in a pod. They are even embossed with the same part number. This is more good news for we who would add a spare tire to our 2012 Soul.

    So if you want to add a spare tire to your 2012 Soul, here is your shopping list:

    - the spare tire itself**
    - the jack
    - the lug wrench
    - the handle to operate the jack
    - the circular styrofoam holder**

    **: Kia used two different sizes of spare tire for the Soul. Cars which came with 15" or 16" wheels got a T125/80D-15 spare tire, while cars with 18" wheels got a larger T125/80D-16 spare tire. Either size will fit comfortably in any Soul's spare wheel well, of course. Make sure your circular styrofoam holder's size matches the size of your spare tire--the size is embossed in one corner of the styrofoam.

    These compact spares are hideously expensive. When I priced out just the 15" steel wheel at work, I nearly had a heart attack! The spare wheel and tire are sold separately, and after my coronary meltdown I didn't have the nerve to price out the tire itself. Instead, I bought a 15" spare tire from a 2010 Soul in an out-of-state junkyard.

    As for the other items on the above list, I felt they were reasonably priced all things considered. I ended up buying the whole "tool kit" from another out-of-state wrecking yard, but it didn't save me very much money once shipping was added compared to buying these items piecemeal from Kia. (Full disclosure: employees get healthy parts discounts at my work. YMMV. I suggest you price it out both ways and decide for yourself.)

    You won't need to buy the bolt that screws the tire in place, obviously. Also, Kia was kind enough to include the tow hook in both tool kits--so there is no need to buy another one of those. Once your shopping is complete, everything will drop right in place as if it had been there all along.

    I hope some of you out there find this information helpful.
    Last edited by TurboMinivan; 12-03-2011 at 10:50 PM.
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    Good work.

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    Will a full size tire on a rim fit in the wheel well? If I'd have to purchase any spare I'd rather go for a full size spare.
    Shame on Kia for opting for can of dangerous (to tire shop mechanics) goop that doesn't always work over a spare tire. This could be a bad choice in emergencies. What happens to folks whose spare in a can doesn't work?

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    they use the roadside assistance that comes with the car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest View Post
    they use the roadside assistance that comes with the car.
    and what if the quality of the roadside assistance is on par with the level of the impotent can'o'air ?

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    This has to be a joke. They don't include a spare?????? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katmandoitall View Post
    Will a full size tire on a rim fit in the wheel well?
    This is a great question. I suppose if I'm going to write the definitive thread on the topic of spare tires, I ought to answer it.



    As it happens, I have an extra set of wheels and tires for a Soul sitting in my garage. They are the winter tires for my wife's 2012 Soul +, and they are mounted on the OEM wheels that came with that car. Because her Soul features 205/55-16 tires, these winter tires are also that size. The overall diameter of these tires is identical to the 195/65-15s on my 2011 base Soul. So let's compare one of them to my 2011 Soul's T125/80D-15 compact spare:



    The full-size tire obviously has a larger diameter--we knew that. Its shoulder is much more square than the spare tire, however, which made me wonder if it would fit in the well at all. Let's find out.



    Check that out--it fits, as far as diameter is concerned. The factory bolt with the circular black handle will not secure this wheel to the car--the bolt isn't long enough to reach the threaded hole through this wheel. If you're going to carry a full-size spare, you'll need to find a longer bolt so that you can prevent the spare from becoming a deadly projectile in a crash.

    There is another issue with the wheel's depth, of course. Just as we all expected, this tire comes much higher off the floor of the wheel well than the skinny little spare does. In fact, it even comes a bit higher than the brace which the rear seat is bolted to:



    If you decided to install a full-size 195/65-15 rather than this 205/55-16, it might sit flush with this brace. I don't know that for certain as I have not tried it.

    Why does it even matter? Because now we need to cover the wheel well area. My base Soul's carpet/pressboard piece can't sit flush like it used to, which means if I put any substantial weight on it while the full-size tire is under there, I'll break the pressboard. A Soul +/!/Sport can't exactly fit their styrofoam storage container on top of the full-size spare, either; it will also poke up a few extra inches. The solution, of course, is to go custom. Anyone who carries a full-size spare will need to come up with their own way to create a flat, sturdy cargo floor above their spare tire. Take this into account when deciding what size of spare tire you want to run. (The fact that a spare tire is used quite rarely, combined with the fact that these little tires are much stronger and more durable than many people think, led me to use one rather than go through all the added complexity of carrying a full-size spare. Make your own decision here.)

    Just for kicks, I did toss the factory toolkit into my full-size wheel just to see how it fit.



    A nice, tight fit. Great. But as I was taking it back out after snapping the photo, it dawned on me: why did it fit so snug? This was a 16" wheel, but my compact spare is only a 15" wheel. That's when I noticed this:



    Kia shapes the styrofoam to perfectly match the contour of the inside of the 15" temporary spare wheel. So while it is 15" in outer diameter at the skinny part, it changes to 16" outer diameter near the top. If you want to run a full-size spare that is on a 15" wheel, you will need to carve your styrofoam toolkit holder like a Thanksgiving Day turkey. Even then, it might not fit--the tools are held in various ways and there may still be interference. Carve at your own risk.


    Anyway, that should just about cover what you need to know about fitting a full-size spare tire into any Soul. Are there any other questions on the topic someone would like me to investigate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kfergiez View Post
    This has to be a joke. They don't include a spare?????? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
    Many modern cars at various price points no longer come with a spare tire. As just one example, the Mazda Miata does not feature a spare at all--instead, you get a tire puncture repair kit (includes compressor, tire sealant, injection hose, spare valve core, valve core tool). Sound familiar?

    Hey, look--our Souls are just like fancy little Japanese sports cars!
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    They are trying to cut weight out of most new cars be be more fuel efficient.. now a days most people don't know how to wrench on theyre own cars .. so changing a tire is out the window ..
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    Great Info , T U R B O ! ! !

    If I get a 2012, I'm pulling my spare out before trading the car, ( they won't know tell it's too late )
    If I out right sell the car, I probably will leave it in.

    Make me wonder how much the donut tire ( with about 20 miles on it ! ) & jack are worth on E-bay

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