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    Moderator Shaggy Wierdo's Avatar
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    Well, I am back...

    I am suffering from sensory shock right now, if the car had the WS and SS packages I would be in total meltdown and sensory overload. Here are some highlights (sorry, pictures to come):

    - They gave me the military discount with no questions;
    - The sales guy then asked the big question, "Are you paying cash?" My response was, "I am unless you guys pay me to finance." He did not know about that but said he would check. Came back in a few minutes and told me that they would pay me 500 to take out a Kia loan, so it is financed for 36 months at 2.9%. We will see how long that lasts. So now I just got 900.00 more off the deal. Thanks everyone for the advice.

    - I then asked about the referral bonus and got a negative reaction. Seems to do that you have to start the deal all over again. I did not want to go through any chance to allow them to wiggle around so I said, "Well since you guys threw in the Spare tire and the all weather mats for nothing, I will not pursue that option." So I really think I got more of that exchange and it was worth it to not upset the apple cart for the 200 referral fee.

    So I calculate that I got the car for some 3600 less than their original offer and 700 (broker's discount) - 500 (loan incentive) - 400 (military incentive) or 1600 off MSRP plus the added 200 for the spare and who knows what for the all weather mats, or course I now have the extra set of carpet mats that they did charge me 115.00 for. In addition when they did the math with the finance deal, the numbers came out that there was another 100 off for who knows what. I did not say anything but the 900 off was now suddenly 1000 off. I did not say anything but let it go. But now I have to pay it off in 30 days and the dealership even told me to do that if I wanted to. I asked them what that did to their kick backs, wouldn't they lose that if I paid it off early and they said, "Yes, but so what?".

    When going through the car, the guide got to the ECO button which they recommended that I leave on all the time (they did not do that before). He told me that the ECO on the 2014 was a little different than before in that it restricts fuel flow to two cylinders when at a cruising speed. I did not know that so I will be playing with the button again to see. He also told me that if the ECO button was engaged to expect there to be a slight hesitation when taking off in first gear. Seems we have heard this before. When I asked how he knew that, he said he didn't but that KIA told them to tell purchasers of the 2014 cars that will happen. It kind of makes you wonder about some dealers that shrug their shoulders.
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    Sounds like you got a great deal!!! Congrats!

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    Pictures or it didn't happen.....
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    Well congratulations Shaggy ! Very interesting info on the ECO button . I've used it around town some , but not long enough to see how it effects gas mileage .
    SouLIME !

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattmc View Post
    Well congratulations Shaggy ! Very interesting info on the ECO button . I've used it around town some , but not long enough to see how it effects gas mileage .
    They had a Red Zone sitting on the lot. I asked if they had much interest in it and they said no. They had just brought it over from their Indiana lot (where my car came from) because it was not even being test driven over there. It has just arrived and the salesmen were all shaking their heads over it. I definitely believe that the car is a niche car and am beginning to believe that the fact that the lot where I got my car is a discount lot has a lot to do with it. The other lots of this dealer are not discount lots. I think that this lot only looks at volume and will do most anything to move a car at bare bones profits if it must.

    Thanks, I will let you all know if my experience with the 2014 ECO is different than with the 2012.
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    So what was the Out The Door price, including taxes and fees? Inquiring minds wish to know.lol
    Are their different models of exclaim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocky3 View Post
    So what was the Out The Door price, including taxes and fees? Inquiring minds wish to know.lol
    Are their different models of exclaim?
    There is only 1 Exclaim model but there are two packages that one can get on it. The Sun and Sound and the Whole Shabang. They both add a bunch of stuff to the car and sticker in at 5100 additional.

    It is hard to give an out the door price exactly because of the trade in, but I will try. For example, the 399.00 handling fee, which I refused to pay, was added in. They did this by upping the trade in price. All in all, they gave me better than USDA book on the car. As near as I can tell the OTD was 21,100 on a sticker price of 21,345.

    EDIT: USDA on that model with the options included is a range dependent of miles and condition. The high end of that number is 14900, they gave me a total of 16,400 on the trade on paper but the difference was their pencil whipping everything to include the taxes and licensing fees.

    EDIT 2: It is confusing though.
    Last edited by Shaggy Wierdo; 02-07-2014 at 08:33 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaggy Wierdo View Post
    They had a Red Zone sitting on the lot. I asked if they had much interest in it and they said no. They had just brought it over from their Indiana lot (where my car came from) because it was not even being test driven over there. It has just arrived and the salesmen were all shaking their heads over it. I definitely believe that the car is a niche car and am beginning to believe that the fact that the lot where I got my car is a discount lot has a lot to do with it. The other lots of this dealer are not discount lots. I think that this lot only looks at volume and will do most anything to move a car at bare bones profits if it must.

    Thanks, I will let you all know if my experience with the 2014 ECO is different than with the 2012.
    The Red Zones don't seem to be moving here in the Bay Area...over 20 on lots last time I look. Too bad they did not offer it with the moonroof. Do like the look of the Red Zone.

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    Congrats. I used the ECO button on our 14 Forte for the first 6000 miles. I averaged 31 MPG. Since then it's been off. I'm averaging 31 MPG. The only difference I can see is that when accelerating it feels as if they have some exponential dialed in to the throttle response....in other words, moving the pedal 10% with the eco button on may only move the butterfly 6% where it moves 10% with eco off.

    Good luck with the new ride.

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    The Red Zone is a car you either love or you don't . You take it at face value .

    I love the uniqueness of it , and for the last year I had told myself the next Soul I buy will most likely be white . I was a little turned off at first with no sunroof especially after seeing the ones Kia was flaunting around actually had them
    But in the end , I loved the rest of the car too much to turn it down .
    SouLIME !

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